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26 November 2007
Afghanistan, Iraq and Kosovo are lost: what is our answer to coming crisis?
Over half of Afghanistan is now controlled to a greater or lesser degree by the Taliban, according to a report quoted in The Guardian. Let's face it, everyone else has failed to conquer that country so why did anyone think that the Americans and their puppets would succeed?

As Afghanistan, Iraq and Kosovo all go tits up for western expansionism, the time is right for working class activists to start putting forward our agenda. The only problem that we have is the lack of a vehicle that will put forward out collectivist demands.

Ludicrous, isn't it? At the very moment when the system is about to come under a major crisis of legitimacy, we have nothing prepared that can offer to take its place.

That noise that I can hear is the sound of the generation of 1945, all spinning in their graves.

Well, sort of. Yes you're probably right about Afghanistan, given the historical record. Not so sure about Iraq and Kosovo. There are some people left who think that, much as they dislike imperialists, rapists and head-hackers are a tad worse.

OK, you'll probably disallow my right to speak for the working class, but I suspect a lot of them have more important things on their minds than the imperialists v. head-hackers issue, with the limited energy one has left after doing a shit job and getting dicked around by management filth, on which subject you're absolutely right.

And as for the generation of 1945, I rather think that Bevin might have taken a similar view to my own.

27 November 2007 at 00:23  

Yes, I agree with your second paragraph, but that is not the point. The only way that we are going to ever ensure that our agenda comes to the fore is if the current political class is discredited by defeat.

In many ways that is the reason for this blog's existence.

So bring it on you head choppers becasue the more you chop the more NuLab is discredited.

27 November 2007 at 00:36  

"The only way that we are going to ever ensure that our agenda comes to the fore is if the current political class is discredited by defeat."


1945 - troops (mainly working class) return victorious and demand that changes be made to their advantage.

1918 - see above.

1917 (Russia) - see above only the changes aren't made & they have a revolution.

Historically your contention that defeat is required is completely & utterly wrong.

They're spinning alright, listening to people cheer for facists.

27 November 2007 at 11:20  

Er, yeah, so Britain supported the war, did it? Germany did, and their outrage came as a result of a defeat which they did not accept in a war that they wanted to win.

The British people never supported the recent wars of aggression and the defeat, I contend, will be seen as a defeat for the system, not the people.

Your analogy will not hold water.

27 November 2007 at 22:48  

"The only problem that we have is the lack of a vehicle that will put forward out collectivist demands."

That "vehicle" was previously (see examples) the winning return of working class troops pushing demands backed by implicit threat. This primary vehicle of revolution is nowadays commonly derided as a bunch of vicious, inhumane, baby-killing thugs by the so-called left - who are more apt to heap praise upon facists and religious throat cutters than their own troops.

The anti-war movement is a tool designed to protect the children of the middle class from the fighting. That it also serves to gut this vehicle for revoultion is merely an added bonus to them, it is not as if the middle class wants a revolution.

You proclaim you do and that you find it ludicrous that there is no vehicle - kind of ironic really.

28 November 2007 at 02:39  

What examples, webmong? In 1918 the army vote went to the coalition that had governed the country during the war. Besides, you cannot compare a mass, conscripted army to the one that exists today.

Change will come in Britain when the class that governs is discredited. The wars will do that.

I read the load of old wank that you posted at your blog. As old wank goes, it's not bad, but I am not really a fan of the genre.

28 November 2007 at 03:43  

The army that exists today is drawn from mostly working class, would seem a dead cert that you would look to find sympathisers there. But of course you do not.

You seem to stand shoulder to shoulder with natural supporters of a middle class isolationist party, which is the preference of people who want to avoid conflict and seek comfort in the present order. They'll grow up to be good solid middle class Labourites and blame Tony Blair for the war (they'll name him a conservative abherration in Nu-Labour). These people will not be discredited by you, they've been standing with you protesting the war for the past 4 years.

1920s saw the rise of Labour in the UK from third party to government.

PS - Yes, wank is a bit wank. Ditching the wank style henceforth as cannot carry it, please take as compliment that you are the only writer so far to have triggered even that half arsed attempt.

28 November 2007 at 12:08  

Back for more are you?

I suppose that you mean David Lindsay's little dream? Actually, no, but if you want to believe that, why should I care?

You do seem to have this obsession with armies and the events of almost a century ago. Is it the uniforms that you like?

Or is it that you have to have everything just right, secure in the knowledge that it will never come to pass? Thus you can have things both ways: you can pretend to be all anti-capitalist, whilst doing nothing to ensure that the system is destroyed?

28 November 2007 at 20:03  

You have just written twice acknowledging it will never come to pass, because Nu-Labour is now the vehicle of the middle class. You are 100% correct. The middle class is anti-war, has an innate fear of conflict, is risk averse/comfort seeking and likes to say nice things about all kinds of people. Nice people with nice ideas and you. You are against war, you proclaim defeat to be inevitable, you shun violence and you say facist religious head choppers deserve to win (which is being very nice to them).

"Pretend to be all anti-capitalist, whilst doing nothing"

Where are your revolutionaries? Are the middle class hippies, students and drop-outs who make up the anti-war movement going to become the hard men of the revolution?

28 November 2007 at 21:56  

What have I written about twice? You wander too much from topic to topic to try and make some point or other that it gets confusing.

My revolutionaries? I don't have any, pal. All I have is a belief that as mongs like you go down to defeat, that will leave a space that people like me can use to further discredit the system that likes to keep us down.

28 November 2007 at 23:13  

"All I have is a belief that as mongs like you go down to defeat, that will leave a space that people like me..."

People like you.

The lower middle class call the army thuggish and brutal, because it suits their purposes to diminish the working class soldiers. The lower middle class want peace and stability because they are happy with the status quo, their situation as moderately wealthy consumers is pretty good to them. There are no revolutionaries in the lower middle class at all.

So similar.

30 November 2007 at 00:39  

Yeah... If you don't know shit, why make shit up? All it does is make you feel a cunt when the truth comes out.

OK, since you don't know shit about me, why not find something out? That way you don't have to flail around trying to guess things.

On the right hand sidebar you will find a link marked "Worth Reading Again". Oderint Dum Metuant, The Last Summer and Internal Colonialism are all autobiographical.

30 November 2007 at 08:04  

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