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21 August 2006
Deleted comments
Following on from the last post, just before he trecked off to his pit the Exile saved the hilarious comments that Gene's load of old wank had elicited. Sure enough they have all been deleted now, but can be read, and savoured, here:


Comments: The Nazi-Mufti connection

Another little known historical fact that may shock hp readers is that some of the nazis were not actually Muslims..

Hard to believe I know.
Posted by sonic at August 21, 2006 03:44 AM

Yawn. Do you have anything important to say here, Sonic?
Posted by Patricia at August 21, 2006 03:51 AM

You mean something as witty and cutting as "yawn"?
Posted by sonic at August 21, 2006 03:54 AM

Do you reckon that the Grand Mufti was as big a help to the German war effort as the Irgun? I know that Germany turned down their offer of a formal alliance, but by starting their terrorist campaign against the British in 1944, I am sure that you will agree that they became de facto, if not de jure, members of the Axis.

I seem to remember reading that the British had to have 8 battalions in Palestine at the end of 1944. No doubt they would have come in useful against Germany...
Posted by Exile at August 21, 2006 03:56 AM

Okay, let me address the substance of your remarks, such as they are. Gene was not trying to say something idiotic, like "all Muslims are Nazis." He was explaining the historical point that one of the channels of transmission of European anti-semitism to the Arab/Muslim world was through the Mufti. Do you deny the existence of European-style antisemitism in the Arab/Muslim world, as evidenced by recent statements by M. Ahmedinejad or as present in the Hamas charter? If you don't, then why is it irrelevant to point out those channels?
Posted by Patricia at August 21, 2006 03:59 AM

My uncle once knew a man who claims that he knows a man who once a saw a muslim not signal properly before making a turn at a redlight.

Spooky, isn't it?
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 04:10 AM

Was he a nazi muslim BBB?
Posted by sonic at August 21, 2006 04:13 AM

Hard to say, my uncle's friend's friend promptly soiled himself while running in the opposite direction, screaming "Argh! The Green Menace!"

But he probably was a nazi muslim.
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 04:22 AM

The Stern gang focused solely on the British as they saw them as enemies of the Jews. They were prepared to play ball with the Nazis, and proposed to assist them in removing Jews from Europe. They wanted to enter the war on Germany's side. A quite extraordinary bunch of characters.
Posted by Benjamin at August 21, 2006 04:44 AM

Oh shit, you mentioned the holocaust AND Muslim anti-Semitism... Here comes Harry's Place cockroach infestation of anti-Semites, historical revisionists and apologists. Just shoot me now.

And Benji's out of the closet. No surprise at all.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 04:52 AM

He was explaining the historical point that one of the channels of transmission of European anti-semitism to the Arab/Muslim world was through the Mufti.

Actually there's a claim that perhaps the critical transfer went the other direction - that the Final Solution was originally the Mufti's idea.

To draw a parallel, the Germans felt a need to publically deny that the holocaust was taking place, while in the Middle east, Arab newpapers had no shame and openly called for the genocide of Jews in the middle east. So perhaps the holocaust , ie. genocide against the Jews, is an idea that fits significantly more comfortably into Arab/Middle Eastern society than it did even into Nazi Germany.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 05:00 AM

"cockroach infestation"

I would learn German if I was you Josh, sentiments like that sound so much better in the original language!
Posted by sonic at August 21, 2006 05:19 AM

What language does "suck my dick, you Nazi" sound best in Sonic?
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 05:36 AM
Josh

Eh? Have I said anything anti-semitic? I have not denied anything regarding the Mufti.
Posted by Benjamin at August 21, 2006 05:36 AM

I think it is just fine in the original idiot.

BTW love the blog especially the "No muslims = Peace" video.

Your own little Enloesung?
Posted by sonic at August 21, 2006 05:39 AM

Benji, the "Zionists were in bed with the Nazis" crap is a favorite with all anti-Semites. No doubt the truth is that the Zionists wanted to make a deal with the Nazis to save European Jews from the Holocaust.

Of course you would pick the harshest slander you could think of to distract attention from the Mufti's own genocidal ferver.

My only question is, did you think that no one would call you on your obvious sentiments, or were you counting on it?
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 05:43 AM

Sonic, now you're lying in order to make points. Asshole.

I suppose I should have extracted the audio portion of that radio show from the UTube video, but then I would have had to figure out how to stream the audio myself.

As it has said on that post (and in the comments) for 3 months:

Update: I just noticed the symbol at the beginning of the video (an Islamic crescent with a circle and a line through it, an equals sign and a peace sign, in other words “no Muslims equals peace”). Keep in mind that whoever made the video montage had nothing to do with the radio program that the audio was recorded from. The video montage mostly follows the audio and helps make it’s point, but also has provocative signs that detract from the argument such as the one it starts with - there’s such a thing as going too far.

Anyway I had listened to the audio without really watching the video when I posted this.

I tried to resize the window to hide the video, but that doesn’t work. Listen to the radio program - ignore the video if it bothers you.

Did you get that? The radio show is not affiliated with the video, and the You-Tube player isn't fully resizable. When you make the player smaller, the controls get smaller - ie unusable.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 05:48 AM

Oh right so you posted it, but didn't notice it and then when did notice it did you put up this disclaimer

"ignore the video if it bothers you"

So calling for the deaths of a billion people may bother some people?

No sh*t.
Posted by sonic at August 21, 2006 05:51 AM

I recommend that people listen to the radio clip and make up their own minds. It's satire broadcast on the eve of the 7/7 massacre.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 05:53 AM

So calling for the deaths of a billion people may bother some people?

While I would never defend the "No Muslims=Peace" signs, but I also interpret it as an anti-immigration slogan, not a pro-genocide slogan. I think your interpretation is completely spurious, Sonic.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:00 AM

In any case the radio satire Sonic refered to about Guardian style appeasment reactions to the 7/7 bombing is posted on my blog here.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:06 AM

It starts pretty slowly but it gets better, by the way.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:09 AM

It's very funny by the end.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:23 AM

Can we imagine the reaction of hp's regulars if someone had a video on their blog that began with "no jews = peace" symbols? As pointed out by other in the past, there is a definite double standard regarding the labeling anti-semitism and islamophobia.

"I find Israel's action to be ineffective and self-defeating" results in shouts of "Ah, out the closet now you vicious anti-semite!" As regards islamophobia, it seems that anything short of actually calling for the death of 1 billion muslims is accepted as something that reasonable people can debate.

Just how it looks from here folks...
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 06:29 AM

As I pointed out, BBBIII, it's the radio satire that I'm posting not the video montage that some random person saddled his You-Tube recording with.

It's so damn convinient of you to try to burn the book without reading it. Content is nothing but an inconvenience to censors like you.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:32 AM

Or maybe you did listen to the content, and THAT's why you want that program censored. Perhaps it has truths you want buried.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:37 AM

Josh Scholar: "Yes, the intro calls for genocide, but that cannot possibly be a reflection of the content or indeed the mindset of people who believe these things."

Anyhow, it's just "going too far" anyways.

And the union jack being enveloped by the ominous green? Am I to assume it has nothing to do with an irrational fear of muslims and is just a comment on the need for more greens in the common diet?
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 06:39 AM

Josh Scholar: "Yes, the intro calls for genocide, but that cannot possibly be a reflection of the content or indeed the mindset of people who believe these things."

That's not what I wrote, you lying piece of shit!!!!

I demand that your lie be deleted from this comment section!
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:41 AM

I demand that your slander be deleted.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:42 AM

Paranoid, isn't he?

If by truths you mean "Argh! The Green Menace!", I believe that many of the folks here at hp are already familiar with that one.
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 06:42 AM

I've contacted Gene.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:45 AM

I believe it was more in the spirit of parady than slander.

Anyways, your mom is here to pick you up Josh, later.
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 06:46 AM

I wrote quite the opposite. What you wrote then and now is obviously deliberate misrepresentation.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:47 AM

Can we imagine the reaction of hp's regulars if someone had a video on their blog that began with "no jews = peace" symbols? As pointed out by other in the past, there is a definite double standard regarding the labeling anti-semitism and islamophobia.

Of course there is, just as there is a double-standard about anti-black or anti-white racism. One is quite rightly considered worse than the other as there has been a long history of whites oppressing blacks and very few cases where it has been the other way round. When the chief rabbi calls for the extermination of muslims and allows himself to be the guest of a dictator whose avowed aim is to "cleanse" the world of anyone who was muslim to the extent even that their grandfather practised the religion then we will be able to make a comparison but at present those who decry "double standards" sound just like those who mutter under their breaths about how "the blacks get favourable treatment."
Posted by The appliance of simple left-wing logic. at August 21, 2006 06:48 AM

Benji, the "Zionists were in bed with the Nazis" crap is a favorite with all anti-Semites.

I never said the Zionists in general were in bed with the Nazis. The evidence is that a small group (the Stern gang) were prepared to co-operate with them to facilitate the creation of a Jewish state, and defeat the British.

Or at least feelers were put out, and no response came. However, that is a far cry from saying that Zionists in general co-operated with the Nazis, which is ridiculous.
Posted by Benjamin at August 21, 2006 06:49 AM

The appliance of simple left-wing logic,

So, it's ok to hate muslims because jews were oppressed?
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 06:53 AM

It's a regular occurance here that people like me who may critcise Jews (in this case the Stern gang) are then accused of anti-semitism. But in reality criticism of Jews, the Israeli govt etc, does not make one an anti-semite, and nor does saying that the Mufti was a twat make one an Islamophobe.

Get a bloody grip, Josh.
Posted by Benjamin at August 21, 2006 06:57 AM

I think BBBIII is deliberately trolling - deliberately pretending to misunderstand the comments, hoping to start arguements that will hide the actual content of the article.

Ignore the troll.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 06:58 AM

Benji, bringing it up, off topic, in order to distract attention from real anti-Semitism is a bit of a give-away though.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:00 AM

It's called balance, Josh. I like to remind people here that Jews are not just victims, constantly persecuted. Fundamentally, they are just like everybody else - you got the good, the bad and the ugly. It should not be a controversial thing to say.
Posted by Benjamin at August 21, 2006 07:04 AM

Ah, your hatred is called "balance." This must be an obscure meaning of the word that I wasn't previously aware of.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:07 AM

Question is Josh, if you now know that the video on your blog implies genocide, why is it still up?

Also, yes, I am part of massive propaganda blitz by the forces of The Green Menace ("Argh, oh no!"). They have promised me that when they conquer our lands I will recieve a more tax incentives than the other dhimmis. This is absolutely true.
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 07:17 AM

Notice how the anti-Semites, historical revisionists and apologists are desperately trying to distract attention from the original topic of the post? They'll pick fights, do ANYTHING to try to change the subject.

I have to say, I've never seen desperate trolling before!
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:21 AM

And more slanderous trolling... BBBIII knows that I've already denied exactly what he's claiming I said.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:23 AM

Sonic, what are you doing around here? Good to see the gang's back - although in my case only for a mo'.

And Josh, my little ray of sunshine, the Stern Gang didn't want to make any such deal: they wanted to fight alongside Germany 'cos they wanted to establish a similar state in Palestine.

That said, Josh, thanks for the big girl's blousish tantrum. Does mummie know you're not in bed?
Posted by Exile at August 21, 2006 07:23 AM

Notice how the anti-Semites, historical revisionists and apologists are desperately trying to distract attention from the original topic of the post? They'll pick fights, do ANYTHING to try to change the subject.

I have to say, I've never seen desperate trolling before!
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:23 AM

Exile "blah blah blah"

And we hear from the fascist who loved Milosovitch! Please crawl back under a rock.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:25 AM

Er, no, Josh, it's not trolling, its taking the piss. We regard Gene as one of the great figures of early 21C fun, and when he starts on one of his Grand Mufti = Arab nationalism = wicked Nazis, we just have to join in and have a laugh.
Posted by Exile at August 21, 2006 07:26 AM

Josh - "anti-Semites, historical revisionists and apologists"

This really is prime example of just throwing shit at a wall hoping something sticks. You should throw in "counter-revolutionaries" just for the heck of it.

Oh, and bang your shoe on your podium.
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 07:28 AM

Nope, never loved the man, but did respect his stand against globalised capitalism.

Ever heard of the ad-homin fallacy? Attack the writer 'cos you can't say shit against his words? Well, you are a good example of the trend.
Posted by Exile at August 21, 2006 07:29 AM

Yes of course, there is no topic you find funnier than the Holocaust, Exile. That's no surprise from the blogger who loved a more recent genocide.

Fucking fascist! What are you going to do when you don't have any pictures of Milosovitch that aren't stuck together?
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:29 AM

Counter-revolutionary! [Bangs shoe on podium!]
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:32 AM

Good boy, Josh Scholar, good boy.

Next, get some sense into your thick head and take down that disgusting video on your blog.
Posted by BigBadBob III at August 21, 2006 07:35 AM

F-off
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:36 AM

Er, no, Josh, there is nothing I find funnier than Gene at the moment - unless its you and your tantrums.
Posted by Exile at August 21, 2006 07:37 AM

Prediction: this shameful thread will be deleted.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:40 AM

There are too many anti-Semites on Harry's Place for it to be possible to make a post on the Holocaust without this deeply shameful crap filling up the comment section.
Posted by Josh Scholar at August 21, 2006 07:41 AM

Before it is I hope you take note that slander is spoken and cannot be deleted. Libel is the word you wanted.

Goodnight to you and don't forget to give Teddie a kiss before you go off to the land of nod.
Posted by Exile at August 21, 2006 07:43 AM

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Nice one!

22 August 2006 at 00:44  

I sure hope you get paid for doing this stuff. What a waste!
OH, THE HUMANITY..! OH, THE HUMANITY..! *SOB!*

22 August 2006 at 12:28  

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